When Taylor Swift joined Travis Kelce and Jason Kelce on the New Heights podcast, we expected to learn a lot about The Life of a Showgirl, and we did. But we learned even more about the relationship dynamic between Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift, including what they talked about on their first date and the green flags they see in each other.

Amid Taylor Swift’s two-plus hour appearance on Travis Kelce and Jason Kelce’s New Heights podcast August 13, the Life of a Showgirl singer and Kansas City Chiefs tight end shared a kiss on camera.